Monday, February 07, 2005

ID is a "rival theory" (?)

The NYTimes ran an op-ed by Prof. Michael Behe of Lehigh University, today. He is one of the top mainstream scientists that accept intelligent design. I don't really have anything creative to say on this that I haven't already, so I'm going to cut and paste from Pharyngula, a blog by a University of Minnesota-Morris biology professor:

From the very first sentence, Michael Behe’s op-ed in today’s NY Times is an exercise in unwarranted hubris.

In the wake of the recent lawsuits over the teaching of Darwinian evolution, there has been a rush to debate the merits of the rival theory of intelligent design.

And it’s all downhill from there.

Intelligent Design creationism is not a “rival theory.” It is an ad hoc pile of mush, and once again we catch a creationist using the term “theory” as if it means “wild-ass guess.” I think a theory is an idea that integrates and explains a large body of observation, and is well supported by the evidence, not a random idea about untestable mechanisms which have not been seen. I suspect Behe knows this, too, and what he is doing is a conscious bait-and-switch. See here, where he asserts that there is evidence for ID:

Rather, the contemporary argument for intelligent design is based on physical evidence and a straightforward application of logic. The argument for it consists of four linked claims.

This is where he first pulls the rug over the reader’s eyes. He claims the Intelligent Design guess is based on physical evidence, and that he has four lines of argument; you’d expect him to then succinctly list the evidence, as was done in the 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution FAQ on the talkorigins site. He doesn’t. Not once in the entire op-ed does he give a single piece of this “physical evidence.” Instead, we get four bald assertions, every one false.

The first claim is uncontroversial: we can often recognize the effects of design in nature.

He then tells us that Mt Rushmore is designed, and the Rocky Mountains aren’t. How is this an argument for anything? Nobody is denying that human beings design things, and that Mt Rushmore was carved with intelligent planning. Saying that Rushmore was designed does not help us resolve whether the frond of a fern is designed....

Behe began this op-ed by telling us that he was going to give us the contemporary argument for Intelligent Design creationism, consisting of four linked claims. Here’s a shorter Behe for you:

The evidence for Intelligent Design.

  1. It’s obvious.
  2. It’s obvious!
  3. Evolutionary explanations are no good.
  4. There aren’t any good evolutionary explanations.

That’s it.

That’s pathetic.


Back to me: Religion has often been used to substitute when the bounds of scientific explanation are reached. To simply say, "Intelligent Design must be true because science cannot explain" is to chicken out and be impatient. Whatever holes exist in evolutionary theory are more likely explained by scientific theories not yet understood than by intelligent design. Scientific knowledge has not reached its full potential. There will always be room for religion because there are always unanswered questions. To simply say that religion is needed here, is to give up on the scientific pursuit for a theory with no physical evidence.

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Post-script: Letters to the editor about the original Behe article.

6 Comments:

At 2:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever holes exist in evolutionary theory are more likely explained by scientific theories not yet understood than by intelligent design.

This is of course a faith statement and not based on what has actually been happening in science over the last 150 years. Darwin's original theory had gaps in it, but it was accpeted according to your logic that they would be "filled in" over time. Just the opposite has taken place. A great amount of information about life has been learned but none of it simplifies or makes any more plausable the theory that life evolved by chance. The more we learn about life the greater awareness we have of it's complexity. This is not making the holes in the theory smaller but rather enlarging them beyond impausability to bordering on impossibiliity.

 
At 3:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting how this piece uses the term "Intelligent Design creationism" and ignores the portion of Behe's article that explicitly talks about how intelligent design is not creationism.

 
At 2:18 PM, Blogger El Cep said...

Despite what Behe says, Intelligent Design is creationism, in a different form. Creationism refers to a theistic explanation for both creation of the world/universe/etc and the development of organisms into what we are today. ID addresses the second point, recognizing that randomness may account for some change, but so does a divine Being.

His one argument is that ID "itself says nothing about the religious concept of a creator." The ability to alter organisms is probably not within the toolkit of man (well, at least not yet). Genetic modifications can occur by two sources, the debate between ID and evolution turns on. Either randomness makes genes change (evolution) or someThing makes genes change. That Thing may not be a "religious concept of a creator" but it is certain on omnipotent Being, whether you call it the Judeo-Christian God, Yahweh, Allah or "Joe the Deity." A rose "by any other name" is still a rose.

 
At 4:13 PM, Blogger --Matt said...

I think there are two main levels of this argument.

Some people believe that a base set of original animals was originally created by god, and that these animals can vary slightly over time.

A second set of people who I will deem "true believers" think that evolution didn't happen then and isn't happening now.

If you fall into this group I think I might be able to switch your view fairly easily. The first step is to think about the selective breeding of dogs. Humanity has been able to produce distinct breeds of dogs simply through selective mating over time. If you don't believe me on this claim then you are beyond convincing of anything, suffice to say numerous breeds of dogs exist and there is ample evidence that they were created through selective breeding by people.

Some people might accept this, but say that natural selection doesn't really exist; that this dog "evolution" was a product of human inteference, and that in nature animals do not selectively mate so as to produce new species. I could go on about this but instead I'll provide you with a few links that should convince you.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript704.htm
This is a transcript of an episode of scientific american frontiers, read the part with Susan Riechert talking about how spiders that live near a river are slowly starting to diverge from spiders that live above them in the desert.

http://www.pbs.org/safarchive/3_ask/archive/qna/3295_riechert.html
This link has questions asked by kids to Mrs. Riechert. Most of the questions blow, but a few are good. Definitely check out the one which asks "you might be watching a species split into two."

Now after reading that you might still be trying to retain your biblical ideals. You might be thinking "but those spiders aren't genetically different yet, she's just theorizing that they will be some day". Well that day probably won't come for thousands of years, so I'll switch to a different spider.

http://www.americanarachnology.org/JoA_free/JoA_v19_n1/JoA_v19_p29.pdf
This article is a little technical, but if you take the time to read it, or even just a bit of it, I think you'll see why I linked it. Basically it shows a different spider that had a similar development to the one Reichart is studying, but which has truly diverged.

 
At 4:19 PM, Blogger --Matt said...

Oooh and for those of you who aren't yet convinced I think this link will sum up why creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

http://www.qwantz.com/20050125.html

 
At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A great amount of information about life has been learned but none of it simplifies or makes any more plausable the theory that life evolved by chance. "

The theory of evolution says nothing about life's origins, just the path it takes once it came into existence.

"The more we learn about life the greater awareness we have of it's complexity."
Yeah, so what? The more we learn, the less we know -everyone knows that.

"This is not making the holes in the theory smaller but rather enlarging them beyond impausability to bordering on impossibiliity."

Now this person is saying 'oh this is so complex my head is going to explode.' Yeah so what? just because you don't understand every little detail of every aspect of biology doesn't make it untrue. I don't understand every protein and chemical involved in the transcription and translation of a gene but that doesn't mean genes don't get made into proteins! Because we live such relatively short lives, it's difficult for our little minds to wrap around "slow biological change over time" -even more difficult for those with littler minds.

My opinion: People who don't want to lose their faith will do anything to keep it. Faith offers a simple explanation to the answers of Why and How: Because God wishes so. That's it, the end. People view evolution as an alternative to creationism but why? Why can't it be complementary? Why couldn't god have gotten the ball rolling? I believe in Science and as a scientist, I cannot rule out divine creation. It's the nutballs who feel evolution is a replacement. Only a narrow minded individual blind with stupefying faith would take a literal interpretation of the bible. There is no answer you can post to those people to satisfy them. They want you to explain all of biology as if doing so would rule out god.

Since man first evolved he explained what he didn't understand with magic and divinity. So ironically, hellbent creationists were evolved to be that way.

 

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